hallo liebe metalabber. eure verwandten der c-base haben ein Problem. GERMAN VERSION Die Raumstation c-base, seit 12 Jahren ein Stück Berliner Subkultur jenseits staatlicher Fördertöpfe, ist akut bedroht. Wir müssen bis zum 31.07.2007 mehrere ausstehende Monatsmieten auftreiben - sonst wird der Verein verschwinden. Dadurch geht ein wichtiger Freiraum für Ideen- und Projekterschliessung (z.B. Freifunk oder der Wikipedia-Stammtisch), Eventort (z.B. Ausstellungen, Konzerte, Open Stage) sowie ein Ort für freie Wissensvermittlung und nicht zuletzt ein Zuhause für Utopisten und Zukunftsforscher in dieser Stadt verloren. Ihr könnt uns helfen, indem ihr vorbeischaut und euch von unserer Idee begeistern lasst. Kommt einfach vorbei und packt mit an, werdet Mitglied, überweisst eine Kleinigkeit oder klickt den Spendenbutton. (http://c-base.org) (Alle Spenden sind steuerlich absetzbar, da wir Gemeinnützig sind). be future compatible - join the space station rescue team!! DIGG IT ! http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Hackerspace_c_base_under_threat_of_closure mitglied werden: http://c-base.org/cv50f/core/pdf/beitrittsformular.pdf was ist die c-base: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base c-base pressemappe: http://www.c-base.org/presse/pressemappe.pdf c-base website: http://www.c-base.org/index2.html ENGLISH VERSION All frequencies hailing!! “c-base space station”, which is a vital part of Berlin’s governmentally unfunded subculture, is under pressing threat of closure. Until July, 31th 2007 we have to come up with several months’ worth of outstanding rent, otherwise we’ll be evicted and the space station will have to close. If that happens an important and fertile ground for ideas and projects (e.g. berlin’s free wavelan networks “freifunk.net” and the wikipedia regulars’ table ), event location (e.g. exhibitions, concerts, open stage sessions) and space for open knowledge transfer and last but not least a home for creatives, utopians and space cadets will dissapear from berlin’s cultural landscape. YOU can help to avoid this, by getting engaged and involved: drop by at our facilities in Rungestrasse and participate, become a member or just go online and hit the donation button. (http://c-base.org) be future compatible - join the space station rescue team!! DIGG IT ! http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Hackerspace_c_base_under_threat_of_closure become a member: http://c-base.org/cv50f/core/pdf/beitrittsformular.pdf c-base website: http://www.c-base.org/index2.html c-base e.V. rungestrasse 20 10179 berlin tc fon +49 (30) 285 993 00 vorstand @ c-base.org Bankverbindung: c-base e.V. HYPOVEREINSBANK-POTSDAM BLZ 160 200 86 Kto 4910173974 IBAN: DE 09 16 02 00 86 49 10 17 39 74 BIC: HYVEDEMM70 beste grüsse rasda
halp! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: rasda <rasda@c-base.org> Date: Jul 4, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: [Metalab] c-base ALARMSTUFE ROT To: metalab@lists.metalab.at hallo liebe metalabber. eure verwandten der c-base haben ein Problem. GERMAN VERSION Die Raumstation c-base, seit 12 Jahren ein Stück Berliner Subkultur jenseits staatlicher Fördertöpfe, ist akut bedroht. Wir müssen bis zum 31.07.2007 mehrere ausstehende Monatsmieten auftreiben - sonst wird der Verein verschwinden. Dadurch geht ein wichtiger Freiraum für Ideen- und Projekterschliessung (z.B. Freifunk oder der Wikipedia-Stammtisch), Eventort (z.B. Ausstellungen, Konzerte, Open Stage) sowie ein Ort für freie Wissensvermittlung und nicht zuletzt ein Zuhause für Utopisten und Zukunftsforscher in dieser Stadt verloren. Ihr könnt uns helfen, indem ihr vorbeischaut und euch von unserer Idee begeistern lasst. Kommt einfach vorbei und packt mit an, werdet Mitglied, überweisst eine Kleinigkeit oder klickt den Spendenbutton. (http://c-base.org) (Alle Spenden sind steuerlich absetzbar, da wir Gemeinnützig sind). be future compatible - join the space station rescue team!! DIGG IT ! http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Hackerspace_c_base_under_threat_of_closure mitglied werden: http://c-base.org/cv50f/core/pdf/beitrittsformular.pdf was ist die c-base: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base c-base pressemappe: http://www.c-base.org/presse/pressemappe.pdf c-base website: http://www.c-base.org/index2.html ENGLISH VERSION All frequencies hailing!! "c-base space station", which is a vital part of Berlin's governmentally unfunded subculture, is under pressing threat of closure. Until July, 31th 2007 we have to come up with several months' worth of outstanding rent, otherwise we'll be evicted and the space station will have to close. If that happens an important and fertile ground for ideas and projects (e.g. berlin's free wavelan networks "freifunk.net" and the wikipedia regulars' table ), event location (e.g. exhibitions, concerts, open stage sessions) and space for open knowledge transfer and last but not least a home for creatives, utopians and space cadets will dissapear from berlin's cultural landscape. YOU can help to avoid this, by getting engaged and involved: drop by at our facilities in Rungestrasse and participate, become a member or just go online and hit the donation button. (http://c-base.org) be future compatible - join the space station rescue team!! DIGG IT ! http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Hackerspace_c_base_under_threat_of_closure become a member: http://c-base.org/cv50f/core/pdf/beitrittsformular.pdf c-base website: http://www.c-base.org/index2.html c-base e.V. rungestrasse 20 10179 berlin tc fon +49 (30) 285 993 00 vorstand @ c-base.org Bankverbindung: c-base e.V. HYPOVEREINSBANK-POTSDAM BLZ 160 200 86 Kto 4910173974 IBAN: DE 09 16 02 00 86 49 10 17 39 74 BIC: HYVEDEMM70 beste grüsse rasda _______________________________________________ Metalab mailing list Metalab@lists.metalab.at http://lists.metalab.at/mailman/listinfo/metalab _______________________________________________ Metalab-announce mailing list Metalab-announce@lists.metalab.at http://lists.metalab.at/mailman/listinfo/metalab-announce
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:17:51 +0200 rasda wrote:
hallo liebe metalabber.
eure verwandten der c-base haben ein Problem.
die http://c-base.org/presseerklaerung_04072007.pdf hab ich gelesen. Durch die Rohrpost kam noch folgendes: --- snip --- From: cre8root <...> To: rohrpost@mikrolisten.de Subject: Re: [rohrpost] c-base roter alarm Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:31:11 +0200 hier eine version in englisch (deutsch kommt noch...) the c-base is entirely financed by monthly membership fees. thus the c-base doesn't have enough members to cover the monthly costs (rent, power supply, etc...), the c-base has to let (lease) the mainhall to people who organise events. the rent is ca. 4.3k, with electricity and internet it's up to 5.5-6k. due to a very high back payment for electricity (2.5k) in the end of 2005 and for the basement rooms (2k) in 2006, the debts piled up and the c-base had trouble to keep up with the monthly payments. also the german collecting society GEMA repeatedly tries to squeeze money out the c-base. so far for the how did it happen... more news coming up. c-base e.V. HYPOVEREINSBANK-POTSDAM IBAN: DE 09 16 02 00 86 49 10 17 39 74 BIC: HYVEDEMM70 BLZ 160 200 86 Kto 4910173974 kain Andreas Broeckmann schrieb:
hey leute,
das ist wirklich beunruhigend! es waere vielleicht gut, ausser PayPal noch ein normales bankkonto als alternative anzubieten, damit man das geld auch einfach so ueberweisen kann?
persoenlich faend ich es auch gut, wenn ihr kurz andeuten koenntet, wie es zu dem mietrueckstand kommt, denn waehrend ihr bestimmt auf viel sympathie auf allerlei seiten rechnen koennt, werden aussenstehende doch gern eine erklaerung sehen, die deutlich macht, dass es sich nicht um ein fass ohne boden handelt, das nach dieser rettungsaktion gleich wieder leerlaeuft. ein gefuehl fuer die dimension des problems (vierstellig oder fuenfstellig?) waere fuer mich auch nuetzlich...
herzlichen gruss, und viel erfolg, -a
Alarm ROT
Die Raumstation c-base, seit 12 Jahren ein Stück Berliner Subkultur jenseits staatlicher Fördertöpfe, ist akut bedroht. Wir müssen bis zum 31.07.2007 mehrere ausstehende Monatsmieten auftreiben - sonst wird der Verein verschwinden.
--- snap --- Ciao, Peter
Peter Kuhm wrote:
the c-base is entirely financed by monthly membership fees.
Thanks, what is the c-base? Is it the e.V that runs metalab?
thus the c-base doesn't have enough members to cover the monthly costs (rent, power supply, etc...), the c-base has to let (lease) the mainhall to people who organise events. the rent is ca. 4.3k, with electricity and internet it's up to 5.5-6k. due to a very high back payment for electricity (2.5k) in the end of 2005 and for the basement rooms (2k) in 2006, the debts piled up and the c-base had trouble to keep up with the monthly payments. also the german collecting society GEMA repeatedly tries to squeeze money out the c-base. so far for the how did it happen...
to me, collecting society is a royalties association ... what has this to do with metalab? why is metalab responsible for royalties? is it playing too many MP3s??? iang
On 07/05/07 07:58, Iang wrote:
what is the c-base? Is it the e.V that runs metalab?
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Robert Annessi wrote:
On 07/05/07 07:58, Iang wrote:
what is the c-base? Is it the e.V that runs metalab?
Oh, ok, thanks for clarifying my confusion! Something in Berlin... iang
Iang wrote:
Peter Kuhm wrote:
the c-base is entirely financed by monthly membership fees.
Thanks,
what is the c-base? Is it the e.V that runs metalab?
No, it's the e.V. which runs the c-base club in Berlin. They are not linked to the organizational structure of the metalab in any way.
thus the c-base doesn't have enough members to cover the monthly costs (rent, power supply, etc...), the c-base has to let (lease) the mainhall to people who organise events. the rent is ca. 4.3k, with electricity and internet it's up to 5.5-6k. due to a very high back payment for electricity (2.5k) in the end of 2005 and for the basement rooms (2k) in 2006, the debts piled up and the c-base had trouble to keep up with the monthly payments. also the german collecting society GEMA repeatedly tries to squeeze money out the c-base. so far for the how did it happen...
to me, collecting society is a royalties association ... what has this to do with metalab? why is metalab responsible for royalties? is it playing too many MP3s???
Again, they don't have anything to do with the metalab on any organizational level, so no collecting society is out to get us. That said, however, it is deeply disturbing for many members of the metalab to see a place as great (and as similar to the metalab) as the c-base to go down because of financial problems. The c-base served as a model for several of the choices made in defining the metalab. Also, if c-base does go bankrupt, it will probably make similar clubs (such as the metalab) look not so very good in the press... /-: Hope that clears things up, -- Andreas Fuchs, (http://|im:asf@|mailto:asf@)boinkor.net, antifuchs
Andreas Fuchs schrieb:
That said, however, it is deeply disturbing for many members of the metalab to see a place as great (and as similar to the metalab) as the c-base to go down because of financial problems. The c-base served as a model for several of the choices made in defining the metalab.
Also, if c-base does go bankrupt, it will probably make similar clubs (such as the metalab) look not so very good in the press... /-:
so where is your solidarity ?? is it your only fear that metalab is not looking good in the press ? very disappointing ! rasda member of the c-base
bledsinn, http://metalab.at/wiki/Termine hat bereits ein soli orga treffen eingetragen ne soli party und weitere möglichkeiten sollen dort diskutiert werden ankündigung geht bald raus On 7/10/07, rasda <rasda@c-base.org> wrote:
Andreas Fuchs schrieb:
That said, however, it is deeply disturbing for many members of the metalab to see a place as great (and as similar to the metalab) as the c-base to go down because of financial problems. The c-base served as a model for several of the choices made in defining the metalab.
Also, if c-base does go bankrupt, it will probably make similar clubs (such as the metalab) look not so very good in the press... /-:
so where is your solidarity ?? is it your only fear that metalab is not looking good in the press ? very disappointing !
rasda member of the c-base _______________________________________________ Metalab mailing list Metalab@lists.metalab.at http://lists.metalab.at/mailman/listinfo/metalab
ups. ok ick hab nix jesagt. :-o es kam nur irgendwie kein feedback �ber eure liste. sorry for that ... rasda Paul B�hm schrieb:
bledsinn,
http://metalab.at/wiki/Termine hat bereits ein soli orga treffen eingetragen ne soli party und weitere m�glichkeiten sollen dort diskutiert werden
ank�ndigung geht bald raus
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