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Your arguments are a bit hard Sergey. I think you have the one or other interesting point but overall you come across as if you can proove everything by just insisting.<br><br>You cannot oversee that rent in Vienna in general is cheaper than in London. I mean come on alot of us lived there and the cheap options we all know about.<br>Karlsplatz is also an option, right.<br><br>Here, like in other cities you can create your own space, choose if you wanna live alone or with another to have half rent and still live in a decent place,<br>London is horrible like that, dude I lived there for 2 years.<br><br>The supermarkets in London are surely even crappier than here. There is great food to be bought in places like London or NY but it costs!<br><br>Of course the nightlife is better and fashion is cooler and we are always behind things about 2 years, I also think thats true.<br>The most important to me is to move around and see different places.<br><br>Austria surely has it's own character and that is called: Gemütlichkeit. And there is nothing to change it (unfortunately)<br><br>We could go on and on. I think the Kiwi got some good advice and a starting point how the system works here.<br><br>good day<br><br>> From: sergey@mikhanov.com<br>> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:52:56 +0200<br>> To: metalab@lists.metalab.at<br>> Subject: Re: [Metalab] Vienna IT field salaries (Was: Metalab General Discussion List <metalab@lists.metalab.at>)<br>> <br>> >> Displaimer: I'm an immigrant myself, came from Moscow four years ago,<br>> >> so expect a bit of rant below.<br>> ><br>> > You are already assimilated: Complaining on a high level is so austrian ;-)<br>> <br>> I can go as low level as... Wait, what?<br>> <br>> > My advise, and the way I'm living, go for a four-day-week or even tree days,<br>> > be happy with little less money (2000-2400 should still be doable for us)<br>> > and enjoy your life or work one something awesome funny in your spare time.<br>> > That little extra (netto) money isn't worth a 40h week.<br>> <br>> Glad you have mentioned that. Look how gently you have been pushed one<br>> step closer to the Karlsplatz passage folks. "Tomas, there's no need<br>> to work hard, you won't get any reward anyway". That's sooooo good for<br>> you in particular and local economy in general, you know.<br>> <br>> > It reminds me of a very similar discussion on the London's Ruby User Group list<br>> > and James pretty much got it right:<br>> > http://lists.lrug.org/htdig.cgi/chat-lrug.org/2008-March/002092.html<br>> <br>> It's great to have the choice whether you want to earn more or not.<br>> This choice exists in London: you may be Ruby-hip with 35K and<br>> Java-enterprisy-uncool with 70K. You may even be<br>> sold-my-sold-to-top-tier-hedge-fund with 90K. In Vienna a combination<br>> of tax law and job market effectively made this choice for you.<br>> <br>> Basically what you say only confirms my point: the salaries ARE low<br>> and employed professional cannot do anything about it.<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Sergey<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Metalab mailing list<br>> Metalab@lists.metalab.at<br>> http://lists.metalab.at/mailman/listinfo/metalab<br> </body>
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